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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:31 pm
by Mr. Tines
@Sailor Star Dust
I don't think I can adequately respond without getting slapped by Reichu.
So book a date in your calendar for June when I might be let off the leash for another short session.
Until then
NO COMMENTO
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:12 pm
by Timstuff
Well said SSS. And here's a nice AS pic to enjoy. :)
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:20 pm
by Anonymous_Evafan
Please, for the love of god, stop with this debate! Reichu already told us rather nicely to
shut up about it already.
Mr. Tines wrote:So book a date in your calendar for June when I might be let off the leash for another short session.
Gee, another pointless debate, what a fun prospect. How about we don't, and say we did? Seriously!
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:34 pm
by Reichu
Anonymous_Evafan wrote:arguing with Mr. Tines about shipping is stupid
SERIOUSLY.
lol fixed
(It's not that we don't love you, Ojisan. It's just that seeing the same unflinching "preprogrammed response to every possible argument in opposing party's arsenal" routine, from the same person, across an extended time period and a multitude of different fan-geeks, is eventually destined to drive certain persons absolutely mad and motivate them to hunt you down and beat you with maggoty horse carcasses.
Reichu recommends having a convenient set of links as an alternative to endless and needless repetition.)
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:49 am
by Mr. Tines
Reichu wrote:Anonymous_Evafan wrote:arguing with Mr. Tines about shipping is stupid
SERIOUSLY.
lol fixed
There are only two places where I have strong feelings about shipping, and the other one is that six years of no progress by the ferret is a Good Thing and long may it continue (lest it meet a dreadful Fate :twisted: ).
@Topic (and meta-topic)
Thinking of who Shinji might be destined for depends a great deal on what the Shinji in your mind is like, as well as the <destined character> in your mind, too. And, given EoE, what that might do to the array of possible characters to fill in that indefinite quantity (the "what if Misato comes back, but Kaji shuffled off this mortal coil too early to be collected?" type of scenario, for example).
Various go-rounds make it clear that there are some significant differences in the characters in my mind compared with the run-of-the-mill equivalents. And thus the fun begins.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:51 am
by Reichu
Mr. Tines wrote:Various go-rounds make it clear that there are some significant differences in the characters in my mind compared with the run-of-the-mill equivalents. And thus the fun begins.
Let's just drop it for now, plzkthx.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:56 am
by Anonymous_Evafan
Reichu wrote:Let's just drop it for now. Please.
Haha, that's what you get for that tweak of my post
. I stand by my original sentiment on this matter.
AEF wrote:Gee, another pointless debate, what a fun prospect. How about we don't, and say we did? Seriously!
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:57 am
by Mr. Tines
Reichu--
Probably the best thing to do would be to split off this current (starting some time on 10-Feb) divergence and drop it into the graveyard. However, I don't think I am the person to do the task of sorting groupthink sheep from Tinish goats.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:04 pm
by Sailor Star Dust
Timstuff wrote:Well said SSS. And here's a nice AS pic to enjoy. :)
It's SSD, but thanks anyway. ^^; Cute pic!
I have to go with AEF and Reichu. Let's just agree to disagree, mmkay?
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:20 pm
by Trigger's Elysium
No meaningful opinion on the matter here. I, uh...I take the against SxA long term as Tines does, I admit there was tension between the two, and as for the topic, I think it's hilarious <_<
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:28 pm
by Hunter21
I am posting in complete disregard to the topic as I am bored to death with it. My comment is about the picture Timstuff posted. It is a very good picture but why is Asuka's eyes purple? Is it just my monitor or was that how it was drawn.
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:34 pm
by Sailor Star Dust
Her eyes ARE purple. :shock: /OF-ness
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:43 pm
by Mr. Tines
NGE alludes to a number of cliches when it comes to the main character interactions
1) The classic triangle: Boy meets girl. Brash, glitzy, alluring rival appears. The original couple are torn apart. But eventually True Love triumphs and the unsuitable interloper is sent packing.
2) The classic mecha series: Cool and distant pilot and hot-shot ace vie for the affections of the ditzy girl.
3) Classic shoujo: Our heroine must decide between the mysterious and aloof boy, the bad boy, and the father figure.
... and possibly more
For the last two, the oft seen transgender pictures may be a result of an unwitting insight.
Part of the different "<character> in <viewer>'s mind" may result from different aspects of these standard formats being picked up on, with different weights associated to different cues.
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:02 pm
by Anonymous_Evafan
Mr. Tines wrote:Part of the different "<character> in <viewer>'s mind" may result from different aspects of these standard formats being picked up on, with different weights associated to different cues.
I'd argue it stems from our life experiences shaping the way we view the world. For instance, you see Shinji as the biggest waste of space in NGE were as I see Asuka as such. You have experiences that make you relate to Asuka and dislike Shinji while I have the opposite.
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:17 pm
by Timstuff
I personally like both Shinji and Asuka, so I don't know what that would say about my personal experiences. But, I know it does mean that I want to see them happy in the end. Maybe that makes me a hopeless romantic. :P
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:50 pm
by Sailor Star Dust
I'm most like Shinji, somewhat like Rei with my quietness (she's a lot more quiet than Shinji!) and only like Asuka in terms of wanting to be perfect (as well as the whole "I just want to feel loved/needed" deal, but I'm sure most of the characters can be described as wanting that)...
And yet, I like all three more or less equally.
; Oh yeah, and Misato-san rocks!
Figure THAT one out!
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:58 am
by Timstuff
I'd say I'm most like Misato... Messy, dissorganized, lives off of frozen dinners (but I CAN cook real dinners, mind you) and canned coffee (well, that was in later episodes, but I don't drink beer, so...), and often find myself lost and confused when my parents aren't around. Also, we were both born in 1986. ;)
She's gotten a lot more "action" than me though, and we're opposite genders, so maybe it's not the best comparison. I'm also like Asuka in that I'm loud, used to be very short tempered (when I was her age), and am part German. :P
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:40 am
by Mr. Tines
Anonymous_Evafan wrote:I'd argue it stems from our life experiences shaping the way we view the world.
That too.
Personally, I was going along track number 1 (the triangle), until the point in episode 16 where Asuka grabbed me by the lapels.
Anonymous_Evafan wrote:you see Shinji as the biggest waste of space in NGE
In NGE,
, no more strong a feeling than "meh". In EoE, OTOH...
Timstuff wrote:I want to see them happy in the end.
Movie Shinji who can DIAF aside, I say the same. That's why I would like to see them with other people.
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:37 am
by Anonymous_Evafan
Mr. Tines wrote:Personally, I was going along track number 1 (the triangle), until the point in episode 16 where Asuka grabbed me by the lapels.
Not being a huge follower of Japanese anime I didn't fit in any of the cliche tracks you mentioned.
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:00 am
by Mr. Tines
Anonymous_Evafan wrote:Not being a huge follower of romance fiction I didn't fit in any of the cliche tracks you mentioned.
Fixed your post
The triangle is found much more widely than in anime (or indeed than just in Japanese light fiction).