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Postby NAveryW » Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:43 pm

THE Hal E. Burton 9000 wrote:this board is supposed to be safe for work; remember, NOT NSFW?

maybe a NSFW/18+ ONLY section to the site for compensation (and a thread split)?

I wrote:Since when? Screenshots from EoE with nudity, explicit gore, and occasionally Shinji's semen are posted here on a regular basis. Aside from that, if it were meant to be safe for work, swearing would not be allowed, along with signatures that mention masturbation and necrophilia.

EDIT: Also, I don't think Zugzwang's avatar merited an "18+" distinction. R-rated films are actually suggested for "17+", and I'm not sure that avatar would even merit an R-rating. I'd say that if you're on this board, EoE is required viewing, and if you could handle EoE, you can handle Zugzwang's avatar.

Shiro wrote:No, technically, this board IS SFW. The IRC is where NSFW stuff is allowed. Came from teh higher-ups. EoE screenshots are the ONLY exception.


Of course pornography and links to pornographic sites are not allowed, but I wasn't aware of anything in regards to this being a SFW State Society. Now Zuggy's avatar has been changed back, and... erm...

Well, anyway, if we're to be truly safe for work here (apparently except for screenshots from the show), then why the deuce is the following permitted?

The crudely drawn "boobies" on every single page's banner
Words such as "shіt", "fuсk", "faptastic"
That picture of a woman touching her breast in the EVANGALIEN thread
The sentence "oh oh oh topic necrophilia is so hot i'm cummmmiiinnngggg" in a signature
ANY of Random ass eva fics.By kyle
Speaking of kyle, that time he was talking about how he drinks his semen after masturbating (I wish I hadn't made myself remember that >.<)
Talk about masturbation in general (which is surprisingly frequent)
More things that I had thought of earlier that I can't currently remember


So, I need a direct word from an equine oral cavity. What is too NSFW?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:53 pm

The current management are considerably more relaxed than Aaron was.

My personal take is

* the source material, used in lit-crit fashion is OK (see the "Private Parts thread that dates way way back)
* text is safer than pictures
* THAT BOARD has too much /d/ material, even if futa are disallowed, for linkage
* what happens in IRC should stay in IRC
* what's the problem with recycling one's manly essence?
* we should prefer risqué to smut -- that's where I'd place the dividing line
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Postby NAveryW » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:02 pm

Mr. Tines wrote:* what's the problem with recycling one's manly essence?
I wouldn't say there's anything morally wrong with it; I just find it... you know... gross.

(Please don't let this turn into a topic about ingesting one's own bodily fluids.)
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Postby Shiro » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:02 pm

IMO: Some of the things that go on here in the forums go a little too far, such as Sachi's sig and zuggy's avvy, but who am I to judge? I've always been under the impression that the forums were supposed to be SFW, and cursing doesn't mean it's NSFW, only porno and sex talk.

I've found it a little ridiculous that there's so much fap talk and whatnot, but I suppose with SFAiBL, it's to be expected. I think it's really just the relaxed moderation.
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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:10 pm

Zuggy's avatar I'd say is too much. It seems my practical joke didn't get the point across.

Shiro wrote:I've found it a little ridiculous that there's so much fap talk and whatnot

Aaron used to always lock threads whenever that sort of thing came up, but I'm supposin' the bunch of us who've effectively taken over don't care nearly as much. If people started talking about it "the wrong way", then maybe I would.

I think it's really just the relaxed moderation.

I thought people were always complaining that I was too strict or something.

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Postby NAveryW » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:17 pm

Reichu wrote:Zuggy's avatar I'd say is too much.
You just say that because it arouses you and threatens your heterosexuality.
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Postby Reichu » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:21 pm

NAveryW wrote:You just say that because it arouses you and threatens your heterosexuality.

What about the other people who think it's a bit much?
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Postby NAveryW » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:38 pm

Reichu wrote:
NAveryW wrote:You just say that because it arouses you and threatens your heterosexuality.

What about the other people who think it's a bit much?
It doesn't matter; you didn't disagree with my previous statement and that's all I needed to get through my day. =P
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Postby TriLink » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:11 pm

Safe for work isn't really an issue for me, given my chosen profession. As for the rest of you, get off yer lazy arses and actually do some work at work. Problem solved.

Now, regarding all the smut floating around the forums lately, it's my opinion that it has gotten a little out of hand. The occasional fap joke is no big deal, but it's annoying when entire threads degenerate into dirty talk between members.

So keep it reasonable. You know that funny feeling you get in your stomach before you hit that submit button? Listen to it, it's a lot smarter than you.
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Postby Shiro » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:15 pm

So, personally, I say that the mods should maybe get a little less tolerant with the fap stuff, not necessarily go to the lengths Aaron went to, but maybe ask Sachi to change his sig and give warnings if things get out of hand. Sometimes I feel dirty reading some of the stuff that goes on on this forum.
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Postby Zuggy » Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:41 am

If this board is S.F.W. then I would expect word filters for everything.

In another thread Reichu or Ornette said about being more tolerant of linking to That Board, illegal downloads of copyright material, and nudity. Yet in this case there seems to be a 180 on all that. Which is it then? Should we all fast forward though the end of episode 20 lest we hear Misato and Kaji having sex?

Reichu, I got the joke, but as you failed to actually tell me that it was forbidden I figured you were just messing around.

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Postby Ornette » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:52 am

What exactly is SFW? Someone like me, who mostly works from home, won't understand where the boundary is. I don't think this board is either SFW or NSFW, we should be looking at "what is ok for the forum" and "what is not ok for the forum", and just like what is SFW and NSFW, the boundary that separates the two is fuzzy and ever changing.

But I think that's the issue here, this imaginary boundary. We all know what clearly doesn't belong on this forum, and what is clearly fine. Example: I post a screenshot of the hospital scene from EoE to make a point in a discussion, we see her nipples, and we even see the result of what Shinji has done. We all know this is ok. Nipples and some splooge. But that's not the point. We all know it isn't ok to post some fan-art, doujin, whatever of Asuka naked from the waste up. Why? Both pictures have nipples and has something to do with Evangelion.

Not sure I can answer that, but I can take a guess: The first image was not posted gratuitously. It served a purpose of helping to illustrate something that had to do with a discussion. The second doesn't, it's porn. If say, the first image was posted a hundred times, or used in a sig, or in an avatar, it's gratuitous. It doesn't serve any point at all except to push the boundary of "what is ok for the forum" and "what is not ok for the forum". Even if a scan of a doujin were to be posted in a discussion about hentai, it probably would still be over the line, crossing into "what is not ok for the forum" territory.

First, let me say that I don't know where this line is exactly, since none of the mods have the rulebook for "this nipple is ok", "this, eventhough it lacks nipples, is not ok", "these words are ok", "this is how many times you can use FUCK in your post", etc. If it was that cut and dry, we'd post all the detailed rules about what you can and can't do, it would be insanely long, it would be bland, and nobody would read it anyways.

Since not even the mods know where this line is, everyone has to use their best guess. Unfortunately, if their guess isn't close enough to the mod's guess, the mod has to take action. It may seem unfair, and things that lie in the fuzzy area that separates the "what is ok on the forum" and "what is not ok on the forum" often differs from person to person. That's why it's usually best to simply stay out of the fuzzy area completely. It's not a rule or anything, I'm saying this because it's easier for the mods, but people usually don't.

Of precedence: One of the things I've notice when it comes to the fuzzy area is the power of a precedence. Sometimes when people post or do stuff that's in the fuzzy area, it's funny, we laugh, and that's that. Other times, like with the case of MaggotMaster, he gets into this fuzzy area, it's funny, we laugh, but then he pushes a little further, and continues to do so until suddenly, we're at the "what is not ok on the forum" territory. The rationale being, "Hey, this was ok, why wasn't that?". This gets back to my point above, concerning the lack of a rulebook. But the problem is that, during MaggotMaster's stay, his behavior affected not just the new people who showed up on the forums, but sometimes even a few of the regulars. Without being seasoned to what has been "ok" and "not ok" on the forums, their concept of this fuzzy area are now completely skewed from that of the other regulars, and more importantly, the moderators.

Ultimately, it comes down to the judgement of the moderators, of what crosses this line and what doesn't, and of how to handle the stuff that happens to be in the fuzzy area. We don't have a rulebook for how this works, so it happens on a case by case basis, which is probably a little different from moderator to moderator. We don't have a better system for doing this, but it's worked OK most of the time. Sorry that I don't have a better answer for what you can post and what you can't, I probably wouldn't know unless I saw it, and even then, I probably wouldn't always know. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, just objectively trying to address the issue. So if it makes any sense, we all know what we can clearly get away with posting on the forum. But if you have an idea of where this fuzzy line is, and you want to go there, a moderator may do some moderating because it may cross their line eventhough it doesn't yours.

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Postby fadingreminder » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:28 pm

As someone who accesses this site constantly from work (which is a corporate entity), I have to say that the site is pretty Safe For Work. There are certain threads I avoid out of common sense, such as the "Moonwalk Thread" and "What is it about Sex" thread, but really I never have a problem and never get in any trouble. The only things that really get you in trouble where I work are huge pictures of questionable content or huge expletives. The font here is at a size so that it doesn't display "fuck" in gigantic letters across my monitor, so language isn't an issue for me either.

I suppose it differs from workplace to workplace, but I have no trouble at mine as long as I use common sense.

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Postby The Bastard King » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:13 pm

Since when was Evangelion SFW? It's like making a seperate NSFW forum or thread on a porn site or something.
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Postby Reichu » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:24 pm

Ornette's post hits the nail on the head with regard to my own thoughts. I don't have much to add.

Zuggy's avatar ("censored" version, for those who missed it + future reference) I would say definitely pushes the envelope. This serves as an expansion upon what Ornette already discussed in terms of context. Breastfeeding is depicted as a natural aspect of child-rearing in NGE, and the show includes an image of it as such that would be fine to post in the appropriate discussion. However, fetish images of one character going oral on another's nipple is gratuitously gratuitous.

In terms of "smut" threads/posts, mentions of or even discussions about things like sex and masturbation don't really bother me. If they became explicit, e.g. people started talking about techniques, that would be a different story.

Zugzwang wrote:In another thread Reichu or Ornette said about being more tolerant of linking to That Board, illegal downloads of copyright material, and nudity.

The result of the That Board discussion was Ornette making a good point about why we should not link there. Illegal downloads have only ever been kosher at the admins' discretion (see Rules). I suppose we are addressing the issue of nudity right here and now.

Reichu, I got the joke, but as you failed to actually tell me that it was forbidden I figured you were just messing around.

In retrospect, I should have dropped you a line. Apologies.
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Postby NAveryW » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:59 pm

Reichu wrote:Zuggy's avatar ("censored" version, for those who missed it + future reference)
Where's the one with the banana hands? <=(
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Postby The Bastard King » Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:59 pm

Is the censored version alright? And I want you to know that you are an amazing photoshopist.

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Postby Reichu » Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:20 pm

The Bastard King wrote:Is the censored version alright? And I want you to know that you are an amazing photoshopist.

(A) Sure.
(B) A-arigatou... :blush:

@NAveryW: Fortunately, I saved that to my HD before Zuggy removed it...
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Postby NAveryW » Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:43 pm

Reichu wrote:However, fetish images of one character going oral on another's nipple is gratuitously gratuitous.


Image
So is this image OK since there's nothing oral and no nipple?


Also, you got the subject-verb agreement in that sentence wrong. Since "images" is plural, the predicate should be "are gratuitously gratuitous." Jeez...
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Postby Zuggy » Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:48 pm

Reichu wrote:Fortunately, I saved that to my HD before Zuggy removed it...

I didn't remove nuffin', cheif. I just got 'ere today and it was gone.


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