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Postby Reichu » Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:12 pm

[Split from Lilith-Rei/LCL Sea questions. I also apologize profusely for the badly dated Internet memes. --Reichu]

cat42 wrote:I'm wondering if there is a relation between the fact that until Ep. 22 Lilith has not been shown with legs, and the fact that the twisted Unit-01 left only Gendo's legs?

She actually left his whole lower body. It sorta made me think of this:

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...and how, in meltdown, Rei faces Misato's upper, rather than lower, section. Because that's where the soul likes to stay?

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^"Y HALO THAR..."

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^"YUI."

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^"Have I ever told you that you look much hawter in purple?"

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^"RLY?"

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^"YA, RLY"

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^"O RLY?"

"YA, RL--"

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^:crunch:

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"Look, Ma! No arms!, etc., etc."

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"And no LCL, either. Hey, Rei is still here. And two more than there were a moment ago. What's with that? lol mindfuck, lol time paradox"

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Yui's shirt-changing seems to represent a sort of visual evolution, as it were. When we first meet her:

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And then later, when we're reunited with her:

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Aside from Yui's reunion with Fuyutsuki-sensei in #21 and Gendo's Retribution, the purple turtleneck shows up at least four other times: the illustration of YGK added to #21' (when Naoko discusses Yui's 'death'), #26 ("you're not happy, are you?"), #26 ("Omedetou"), and #26' (the farewell). The significance of the color purple should be pretty self-evident.

They seem to slip in the visual transition from pink blouse to purple turtleneck to :DROOOOOOOLL: as a way of letting the audience know that yes, that freaky EVA-01 is Yui, and nobody but. Additionally, the possibility of the Eva being some sort of Rei-based transition guide is dampered by Rei's continued presence after the Eva, and her quarry, disappear. (So too has Kaworu, for that matter.)

That Gendo should be visited by the three deities -- and we're not given any reason to doubt their identities, IMHO -- and be partially devoured by his wife rather than dissolved by a Rei who would spirit his soul away strikes me as being a rather ... "distinguished" manner of exit. Where did he go? Where did Yui and Kaworu go? How did Yui and Kaworu get there, and appear as they did, in the first place?

I blame Rei. Maybe this is relevant in some way:

You might notice here...

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...that Rei's arms are hanging at her sides. Yui and Kaworu are still there.

Afterwards, Rei is holding her two hands up near her chest:

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...a gesture reminiscent of the "cupping" that is seen in EoE (GNR/GNK & EVA-01, GNR & the Black Moon), in #22 (Arael's arm-wings around her free-floating core), and in #24 (EVA-02 & Kaworu, briefly). Is Rei "holding" something here, as well?

Now, while Gendo does, somehow, manage to get partially eaten, I doubt this scene:

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...literally happens, with Yui clutching him in her lefty against a red backdrop and all. Gendo seems to actually stand up:

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...to get what's coming to him, and...

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...he's still standing there when it's over. But the scene that briefly takes form may be something that only he perceives, and the EVA-01 that he sees is, in a sense, the image of her most prominent in his mind. (I.e., the unleashed beast he smiled so impishly at in #19.) It seems to correspond to a similar scene in #25:

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...where Shinji encounters this dark, looming, stylized Eva against a red backdrop, the visual manifestation of what "EVA-01" means to him at this point.

Incidentally, another point of correspondence between the two scenes is to be found shortly afterwards:

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...when EVA-01 takes Shinji into her right fist. (With Gendo, it was the left. Cute, huh?)

Shinji's scene in #25 corresponds to the end of #25' in EoE, when Yui breaks out of the bakelite, clutches at Shinji, and tells him to get in. (Did he have to traverse her arm like a bridge or something?) So, like... the outcome for both Shinji and Gendo is that they end up inside Yui's body. Kinky.

One odd thing to point out: The freaky Shogouki in #19 had a meal, and where did the contents end up? In her core. I've wondered if, by evoking the same imagery (*slobber, growl*) and methodology (*munch*), they were trying to tell us something about where Gendo ends up...

Although I can psychically predict what Wayne will say.

Wait... what was this thread about, again?
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Postby Mr. Tines » Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:42 pm

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Postby MaggotMaster » Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:20 pm

I always thought the whole ZOMG EVA EAT GENDO was just Gendo's way of getting complimented, just like everybody else (except lol Aoba) saw something they wanted to see or whatever.

Especially considering instrumentality doesn't seem to discriminate when tangifying people.
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Postby Shin-seiki » Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:27 pm

MaggotMaster wrote:I always thought the whole ZOMG EVA EAT GENDO was just Gendo's way of getting complimented, just like everybody else (except lol Aoba) saw something they wanted to see or whatever.

Especially considering instrumentality doesn't seem to discriminate when tangifying people.
But that's just the point: he doesn't get tanged.

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Postby MaggotMaster » Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:45 pm

Shin-seiki wrote:
MaggotMaster wrote:I always thought the whole ZOMG EVA EAT GENDO was just Gendo's way of getting complimented, just like everybody else (except lol Aoba) saw something they wanted to see or whatever.

Especially considering instrumentality doesn't seem to discriminate when tangifying people.
But that's just the point: he doesn't get tanged.


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Postby Ornette » Sat Oct 21, 2006 9:45 pm

MaggotMaster wrote:
Shin-seiki wrote:
MaggotMaster wrote:I always thought the whole ZOMG EVA EAT GENDO was just Gendo's way of getting complimented, just like everybody else (except lol Aoba) saw something they wanted to see or whatever.

Especially considering instrumentality doesn't seem to discriminate when tangifying people.
But that's just the point: he doesn't get tanged.


INVISIBLE TANG

but only his torso?

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Postby MaggotMaster » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:45 pm

Ornette wrote:
MaggotMaster wrote:
Shin-seiki wrote:
MaggotMaster wrote:I always thought the whole ZOMG EVA EAT GENDO was just Gendo's way of getting complimented, just like everybody else (except lol Aoba) saw something they wanted to see or whatever.

Especially considering instrumentality doesn't seem to discriminate when tangifying people.
But that's just the point: he doesn't get tanged.


INVISIBLE TANG

but only his torso?


UM

THOSE WERE ACTUALLY PROSTHETIC LEGS, IT'S A KNOWN FACT GENDO'S REAL LEGS WERE LOST IN AN ACCIDENT WHILE HUNTING IN 2010.
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Postby Mundane » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:41 am

Were they hunting with land mines?
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Postby Reichu » Sun Oct 22, 2006 12:55 pm

I'd sorta been hoping my post would inspire more thoughtful discussion. Feh.
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Postby cat42 » Sun Oct 22, 2006 3:39 pm

Reichu wrote:I'd sorta been hoping my post would inspire more thoughtful discussion. Feh.


I was going to, but I realized that all my points were either wrong, obvious, or stating what you were already stating.

Uh, so, let's see...

I definately see Gendo being eaten as his complementation (is that a word?), LCL or not. He imagined it as being painful and horrific because he felt that is what he deserved. I like to think that Gendo joined Yui after that, because it would be sad for Yui to be alone forever during her adventures through space.

Though, a thought that came to mind, in 26, one of the last shots are Gendo and Yui standing next to each other in a way that for some reason reminds me of how Rei III and Kaworu were standing next to each other (even though they were no where near as close) in 26'. I'm not sure why I thik of this, it's just something that came to mind. Do with it as you will.

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Postby Reichu » Sun Oct 22, 2006 9:57 pm

cat42 wrote:I definately see Gendo being eaten as his complementation (is that a word?)

Complementation/Instrumentality (hokan) is not the "induction" -- it's what happens afterwards, when the souls are thrown together in an ATF-free environment. Individuals mesh together; flaws in one person are negated by strengths in another. There is no way to tell where one person ends and another begins; eventually individuals cease to be, and only one, perfect entity remains.

He imagined it as being painful and horrific because he felt that is what he deserved.

The tone of his final words are somewhat enigmatic, as they betray no sense of fear. (Sounds more like casual resignation to me.) The look on his face changes slightly once he's on his feet and looking at an Altered Yui, though; it's in the eyes.

I like to think that Gendo joined Yui after that, because it would be sad for Yui to be alone forever during her adventures through space.

A lot about her final speech bothers me; something about it, or the usual readings, has this "naggingly unreconcilable/unaccountable" feel. (But even if Gendo doesn't enter deep storage, maybe there are some other potential long-term "guests".)

Though, a thought that came to mind, in 26, one of the last shots are Gendo and Yui standing next to each other in a way that for some reason reminds me of how Rei III and Kaworu were standing next to each other

Another note: In the "Omedetou" scene, Yui and Gendo are the only ones standing together. Not even Misato and Kaji -- who had effectively hooked back up before Kaji "died of lead poisoning" -- are allowed the same.

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask the dreaded question: How did Gendo's glasses end up neatly on the floor behind him?
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Postby cat42 » Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:39 pm

Rei II performing quantum magic?

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Postby ObsessiveMathsFreak » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:02 am

Reichu wrote:Oh yeah, I forgot to ask the dreaded question: How did Gendo's glasses end up neatly on the floor behind him?

Spat out as indigestable, naturally.
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Postby Nukie » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:47 pm

cat42 wrote:I like to think that Gendo joined Yui after that, because it would be sad for Yui to be alone forever during her adventures through space.


I took Eva 1 eating Gendo as a sign that Yui was royally pissed at Gendo being a piss-poor father. (Although she probably wouldn't win mother of the year, either.)

I thought that Rei was holding Gendo's soul, but that's me. I never understood that scene.
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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Mon Oct 23, 2006 7:55 pm

The only thing I really understood about that scene is eating Gendou (Kinky :P) was Yui's way of showing disapproval for Gendou trying to start Instrumenality...and prehaps also disapproval at his treatment of Shinji.

It would be nice to think that Gendou was somehow with Yui after that, but her lil speech about being out in space did seem rather...final and had sadness to it, so maybe not. :(

That observation of Gendou and Yui standing together in 26 and Kaworu & Rei standing together in 26' is interesting. Don't know if it really means anything, but interesting point nonetheless. ^_^;
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Postby cat42 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:53 pm

Here's another issue though, in regaurds to the debate of the TV end and EoE whether the same thing happends during Instrumentality. Especially since Gendo and Yui are standing next to each other at the end, though Shinji does say farewll to his mother at the end, yet not his father (at least that was my interpretation).

Also, I thought Yui was in on the plan to start 3I, that's why she went into the Eva, to help control the outcome. I could be wrong though.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:07 pm

I think 25 and 26 were more or less in Shinji's mind, hence why everyone congratluates him at the end; it's meant to be symbolic that it's from the people he loves/who love him. *shrug*
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Postby Reichu » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:23 am

Nukie wrote:I took Eva 1 eating Gendo as a sign that Yui was royally pissed at Gendo being a piss-poor father.

She didn't look or sound very pissed-off when she was talking to him beforehand.

Also, there are also ways to show you're pissed-off at someone than by eating them. Or the half where the soul is hanging out, anyway.

(Although she probably wouldn't win mother of the year, either.)

Aside from being absentee after her 'death', she seemed to have it going good.

Sailor Star Scout wrote:I think 25 and 26 were more or less in Shinji's mind, hence why everyone congratluates him at the end; it's meant to be symbolic that it's from the people he loves/who love him. *shrug*

Once the "Instrumentality Begins" cue is given, all minds are one. If it's happening in Shinji's mind, it's happening in everyone else's.

One wonders why, if Gendo's destiny is simply the same as all others, why his induction is so bizarre. Normally: Rei goes to you; you see something else instead ("this Rei is your heart, your very hopes and dreams"); contact occurs; your body becomes LCL, the Rei-incarnation vanishes, and your soul is spirited away.

Gendo is instead visited by the avatars of Eva (Yui), Adam (Kaworu), and Lilith (Rei) -- they appear one after another until all three are present. They have a strange little interchange. After Rei comes, Gendo stands up and, it would seem, "interprets" Yui as a freakish EVA-01 clutching him in her lefty, who then bites off the upper half of his body (for real). Afterwards, Yui, Kaworu, and Yui's meal are gone; Gendo's glasses are lying neatly on the floor behind him; Rei 3 seems to be "holding" something; and Rei 1 and Rei 2 have appeared out of nowhere, never to be seen again after this.

If all Rei 3 is holding is Gendo's soul, which will at that point meet the same fate as all others, what was the point of replacing the standard induction ceremony with what Gendo received? Why have all three of the deities talk to him about his woes? Why have Yui eat him, and only partially? And so on.

The idea that he gets packed away into Yui's Guf is oh so romantic, but tragically flawed, it seems. Yui's final speech needs a rewrite badly.
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Postby cat42 » Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:48 am

Here's a sad thought (that also conflicts with TV end, and seems wrong anyway);
What if Gendo didn't get inducted? What if he just ended?

I think he got to talk with the 3 "deities" because of how involved he was in the 3I.

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Postby Sailor Star Dust » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:36 pm

cat42 wrote:I think he got to talk with the 3 "deities" because of how involved he was in the 3I.


Good point; that's what I think, too.
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